First to my mind is the Puddle Duck Racer. Doesn't have all the criteria (no build in bed that I know of and you would have to bail on occasion but all boats are a compromise.
Oz Goose may be a bit of a challenge for car-topping and Oz Racer may be a bit of a challenge for the sleep-aboard requirement but it shouldn't be too difficult to design and build a compromise Oz Gosling of a length in-between that is light enough and long enough for sleeping.
First I would like to let you know that there is at least one boat which comes very close to meet ALL of the requirements.
It's not made of any extraterrestrial material, and it doesn't make you laugh hysterically... 😏
Second, I suspect some ppl didn't watch the whole video, instead just read the thumbnail, so I'll explain a bit more here on the "4 person requirement".
It does not have to sail efficiently with four, it just needs to carry four ppl, under sail, on short trips in the estuary on a good day! And only one needs to sleep aboard, on an inflatable mattress! See? not that hard is it?
And btw it's not 600lbs floatation, that is waaaayy less than I want...it's 600Litres or 1330lbs. the same as my Goat Island Skiff.
To clarify, the GIS is car topable at 60kg, you can see Cabra Cega arrive at our club on top of Pedro's SUV. But many GIS owners do it on smaller cars.
I'm still trying to create a 3D model and experiment with some different wood densities and some mods but it's looking good so far.
When I have the final decision I'll let you all know on my channel, and here too...
As some noted Michael Storer has at least 2 relevant designs. My first choice would be his Goat Island Skiff (GIS). It is not car toppable but is relatively cheap, easy to build, can accommodate 4, and is fast. It is also available in kit form from Chase Small Craft https://www.chase-small-craft.com/gis. It is important to note this is a design proven in long distance events like the Texas 200.
His requirements need a construction material called unobtanium. Not sure there is any way to get a four person boat that you can get on a car top, with the ability to sleep inside. The closest I got (but no lug rig) was Dudley Dix's Argie 15. It is *barely* car topable, but Paul said (on the Youtube comments) he was familiar with the design and that it would be wide to really get on top of a car easily.
Well Paul, I assume that you have your tongue firmly lodged in your cheek. As an amateur boatbuilder and a professional software designer, I know that rational compromise is the key to happines. Car toppable, 4 passengers, and a bed?
If you want to work on your skills at compromise, you might find that John Harris at Chesapeake Light Craft has some sailing designs that come pretty close. (Skerry, Jimmy Skiff II, and Pocket Ship come immediately to mind.)
I first thought of Bernd Kohler’s Cataproa but I imagine that it would like labor under the weight of four and not cartoppable unless you made extensive mods for easy assembly/disassembly.
Light. Stable. And FAST...Those say "trimaran" to me (although I also agree with the PDR). for breakdown/assembly options for cartopping, take a look at CLC's approach on "Outrigger Jr" (https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/pro-kits/outrigger-jr.html). Maybe use carbon fiber tubes for the akas if you want to save a little weight over wood or aluminum. No centerboard needed...sleep comfortably in the vaka.
The CLC boat is a catamaran, not a tri, but uses some very slick methods of breakdown and assembly for cartopping. I suspect that one could build a vaka and two smaller amas that total less than 60 kg...the fitted hull weight of a heavy rotomolded Hobie AI is spec'd at 48 kg, and they're easily cartopped. I should also have mentioned that a tri checks off your "flotation" requirement, too. Happy building!
First to my mind is the Puddle Duck Racer. Doesn't have all the criteria (no build in bed that I know of and you would have to bail on occasion but all boats are a compromise.
Oz Goose
Oz Goose may be a bit of a challenge for car-topping and Oz Racer may be a bit of a challenge for the sleep-aboard requirement but it shouldn't be too difficult to design and build a compromise Oz Gosling of a length in-between that is light enough and long enough for sleeping.
Thanks everyone for the comments...all of them!
First I would like to let you know that there is at least one boat which comes very close to meet ALL of the requirements.
It's not made of any extraterrestrial material, and it doesn't make you laugh hysterically... 😏
Second, I suspect some ppl didn't watch the whole video, instead just read the thumbnail, so I'll explain a bit more here on the "4 person requirement".
It does not have to sail efficiently with four, it just needs to carry four ppl, under sail, on short trips in the estuary on a good day! And only one needs to sleep aboard, on an inflatable mattress! See? not that hard is it?
And btw it's not 600lbs floatation, that is waaaayy less than I want...it's 600Litres or 1330lbs. the same as my Goat Island Skiff.
To clarify, the GIS is car topable at 60kg, you can see Cabra Cega arrive at our club on top of Pedro's SUV. But many GIS owners do it on smaller cars.
I'm still trying to create a 3D model and experiment with some different wood densities and some mods but it's looking good so far.
When I have the final decision I'll let you all know on my channel, and here too...
Cheers,
Teo
As some noted Michael Storer has at least 2 relevant designs. My first choice would be his Goat Island Skiff (GIS). It is not car toppable but is relatively cheap, easy to build, can accommodate 4, and is fast. It is also available in kit form from Chase Small Craft https://www.chase-small-craft.com/gis. It is important to note this is a design proven in long distance events like the Texas 200.
His requirements need a construction material called unobtanium. Not sure there is any way to get a four person boat that you can get on a car top, with the ability to sleep inside. The closest I got (but no lug rig) was Dudley Dix's Argie 15. It is *barely* car topable, but Paul said (on the Youtube comments) he was familiar with the design and that it would be wide to really get on top of a car easily.
Well Paul, I assume that you have your tongue firmly lodged in your cheek. As an amateur boatbuilder and a professional software designer, I know that rational compromise is the key to happines. Car toppable, 4 passengers, and a bed?
If you want to work on your skills at compromise, you might find that John Harris at Chesapeake Light Craft has some sailing designs that come pretty close. (Skerry, Jimmy Skiff II, and Pocket Ship come immediately to mind.)
Oz goose
http://www.pdracer.com/
I forgot to add this link for the PDR
Gentry Designs 14 foot Shenandoah Whitehall, a skin on frame boat that finishes at about 6- pounds or a Joel White Catspaw Dinghy built skin on frame.
60 pounds
Hey John,
Skin on frame would not survive here in the Tagus river and estuary. There are oyster banks all over and oyster shells on every beach.
Jim Michalak's Piccup Pram is a pretty close match. Plans are cheap too. https://duckworks.com/piccup-pram-plans/
Car-toppable, 12-13ft, 4 people + 600lb flotation? I thought it might be a mistimed April Fools prank until I saw his complete sincerity in the video.
I first thought of Bernd Kohler’s Cataproa but I imagine that it would like labor under the weight of four and not cartoppable unless you made extensive mods for easy assembly/disassembly.
https://duckworks.com/cataproa-plans/
Second thought was Perttu Korhonen’s “Goose Explorer” mod to the standard Michael Storer OZ Goose. However, also not cartoppable.
https://duckworks.com/goose-explorer-plans
If you want fast, 4 people, and cartoppable, I can only imagine a 16-18’ multi-hull that can be broken down for transport.
Light. Stable. And FAST...Those say "trimaran" to me (although I also agree with the PDR). for breakdown/assembly options for cartopping, take a look at CLC's approach on "Outrigger Jr" (https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/pro-kits/outrigger-jr.html). Maybe use carbon fiber tubes for the akas if you want to save a little weight over wood or aluminum. No centerboard needed...sleep comfortably in the vaka.
Hi Jerry, thanks for the suggestion.
The 260lb weight is way over what an average car can transport on the roof rack.
My car's max is limited to 70Kg so I'm looking for something under 60Kg + <10kg mast.
Cheers
The CLC boat is a catamaran, not a tri, but uses some very slick methods of breakdown and assembly for cartopping. I suspect that one could build a vaka and two smaller amas that total less than 60 kg...the fitted hull weight of a heavy rotomolded Hobie AI is spec'd at 48 kg, and they're easily cartopped. I should also have mentioned that a tri checks off your "flotation" requirement, too. Happy building!